Here is one problem for Michael Ignatieff to mull over: only one in four of voters 45 years old or older favour the Liberals, while almost half prefer the Tories. The Conservatives have walloped the Liberals by opening up a huge gap in potential support amongst the older voters.
The EKOS poll of October 15, 2009 shows that amongst those 65 and over, a startling 50.3% favoured the Conservatives, compared to only 27.7% for the Liberals. Amongst the 45 to 64 year old group, the Tories lead with 44.5% compared to the Liberals' 25.1%.
But do not abandon hope, All Ye Liberals!
There is a chance for the Liberals to present a policy to the voters which could dramatically change the relative support of the two national parties by older Canadians.
That opportunity arises from a simple fact: millions of Canadians do not have any or adequate pensions, other than the pitifully small CPP and OAS.
Today's Globe & Mail introduces a week long series dealing with the appalling state of the nation's pensions, and the reluctance of federal and provincial governments to publicly recognize the problem, and to protect older Canadians.
This gives us the chance to forge policies which promise all Canadian seniors a decent life after retirement. This will require the Liberal Party to be bold and innovative, but by staking out the territory of pension reform, the party could win over a big chunk of the senior vote (remember, more seniors actually vote in elections, far more than other age groups do), and at the same time fill a vacuum in our political space left by the timorous right wing Harper minority government, and the equally fearful provincial governments.
How big is the problem?
Consider these facts:
"Another set of poorer Canadians should never have had the illusion of security in the first place. A large proportion of workers - 44 per cent, or eight million Canadians - have neither an RRSP nor an employer-based registered pension plan. A growing proportion is self-employed. They will depend on the Canada and Quebec Pension Plans and government backstops like Old Age Security. These provide basic assistance, but little more. The maximum CPP monthly payment for a 65-year-old is $908.75. Unless blessed with other assets, a senior who relies on the public system alone lives a life of poverty."
Ignatieff can start by reading the G&M editorial, which contains these suggestions:
"With so many Canadians at personal financial risk, a new approach is needed. Regulators must be more active in monitoring plans between official evaluations. Governments should facilitate the creation of multi-employer pension plans, whose scale can help spread risk and attract workers from smaller workplaces; new plans could get tax credits to encourage their growth. Commitments inherent in existing defined-benefit plans should be legislatively enshrined, so that they cannot be lost in bankruptcy or squandered when good times make plan administrators succumb to the temptation to reduce incoming payments. The principle, outlined by University of Toronto professor Keith Ambachtsheer in an unpublished paper, is that "accruing pension promises must be fully costed and fully funded at all times."
But employers do not need to wait for the government's hand. They can ensure their plans are better funded by setting higher default contribution rates from employees. Other employers can facilitate payroll deductions to the savings account of the employee's choice. As long as these schemes, or "nudges," as described by the economists Cass Sunstein and Richard Thaler, still leave the ultimate choice on whether to participate in the hands of individual workers, they should be pursued widely. And employers must see the larger public benefits that come with their sponsorship of pensions."
For starters, the Liberal Party should consider making it obligatory for each and every employed or self-employed Canadian to make larger contributions to a revised pension plan, with contributions to the pension plan from both the employer and the federal government. Then the LPC can implement some of the other recommendations of the G&M.
But we should be bold, and innovative, and by so doing, differentiate ourselves from the Harper Tories, who have proven themselves incompetent and untrustworthy in many things, including protecting senior Canadians.
Let us entrench the right of our senior citizens to a decent standard of living after their retirement in our laws, and take steps to make that happen.
Saturday, October 17, 2009
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Cat,
MI and the Liberals are in denial.
Pick --->ANY<---- speech and everytime the media ask about details (adult conversation)he deflects it by stating "wait and see".
We have said clearly "wait and see" won't work.
The numbers for the leader reflect the failed strategy that YOU pointed to for MONTHS.
The frame is now complete. Angus Poll
In mid-October, the Liberal leader has seen his standing drop dramatically. A majority of Canadians (51%) say their opinion of Ignatieff has worsened over the course of the past month, while only six per cent report an improvement. The Grit leader's momentum score is -45.
Read the Lib blogs they are talking about oversized cheques and logos.
The comparison between real scandals (Adscam HR boondoggles under JC/PM) are being compared to the CPC advertising and use of logos.
They need to hire you and fire those Rosedale experts.
MI is late and refusing to stake any ground and hold it.
Rich seniors vote for Harper..ones that pay tax or use incomesharing as he gave them lots of breaks ..like his mother...for poor seniors he docked us..we have not received one increase sisnce he has been in power...last one Martin jan.2006....it was half of the 31 dollaea a month Paul gave us... then cost of living went up last Oct...since then we have lost money....a lot of seniors worked before CPP was started in 66....Kat..not complaining happy to get it
Put CanadianSense on "ignore". He's all over the blogosphere, over and over and over again. What a loser.
Lyn
CC: have you ever thought of writing/emailing the Libs on your ideas. You know how Harper steals.
I cannot see where rich seniors would vote for Harper, as he lied about their Income Trusts.
Poor seniors shouldn't ,as he gives them zilch. The ones that vote Con., must be senile.
The LPoC is tanking, because of the lack of democracy in the party,Chretien, Martin, Dion then Iggy, past malfeasance in which most of the perpetraters have not had to answer for anything, the complete lack of policy or new ideas, there is nothing but the same old regurgitated clap trap that has been in every red book since 1993.
The old guard has to be shown the door or the party will end up with fewer seats than the NDP.
Lyn, Canadian nonsense is how I address him. he lives in Oakville Ontario and is balantly ignored by all and sundry there who call him a crackpot. His own MP who he supports, wants nothing to do with him. He has been kicked off several blogs as well as he eventually goes absolutely nuts.
I agree, put him on ignore.
I sgree with your assessment of how we in the Liberal party can do more for seniors. The Tories are only helping those who have money to spend thus building tax revenues but have forgotten the vast majority of seniors. I believe a top up of RRSP savings by delaying taxation further beyond age 71, but still allowing withdrawals, would be much better tax relief than the TFSA which does absolutley nothing for seniors. There could be income tests for that as well to make sure those that don't need the relief pay their fair share.
Yah the Liberals have such a good track record on this stuff. Like OAPP which later became the OAS and CPP system they created that right......Wait a minutes it was JS Woodsworth who used the progressive party to force King to accept that legislation. JS Woodsworth would go on to become the first leader of the CCF .
Ohhhhhh well they implemented the OAS and CPP system right? Nope it was he Progressive Conservatives under Deifenbaker who did that. No wonder the Liberals don`t win the support of senors. If I was over 65 I wouldn`t look to them either.
Lester Bowles Pearson implemented CPP in l965..Diefenbacker grumbled and talked about pensions but did nothing about it. It takes a LIBERAL to do things...Conservatives UNDO
Very nice of a blogger to become so concerned for the poor seniors. As one of them, I`m pleased to say that the Cons have allowed me to keep more of my income by bigger allowances. In other words, I am better off.
King was not forced to do anything. It was Borden who brought it up after the war and
King okay-ed it in 1926 and the Old Age Pension Act became law in 1927.. And Pearson did implement CPP, 1965.
Cat,
It is possible that the apparent high rate of support (if you trust the poll)amongst seniors is due to what you had pointed out before, that is, they bought into Harper's line that an election at this time is a waste of $300 mil.
Just a suggestion: The Libs should repeatedly publicize the amount of taxpayers money that Harper's govt has spent on advertising the EAP. Dalton Mcguinty estimated, if I remember correctly, $10 mil a month on CBC a few nights ago. No one knows the actual figures because this "Acccountability and Tranparency championing govt" won't reveal them of course. Tell the seniors (in fact tell all voters)that this adds up to over $100 mil a year of taxpayers' money that the Harper govt is possibly spending while telling them that an election will just be wasting millions.
If they still prefer to vote for Harper, well we can only hope that there will be more of us who will not vote Cons, right?
Anon, Seniors have supported PMSH thru 2 elections.
Income splitting, GST reduction and Tax Free Savings Account has attracted the 45+
Plus, this crowd doesn't like 'new' social programs that they will have to pay for in the last decade or so, of their earning years.
The GST is the ONLY tax low income earners pay.
So it is a big deal to cut it by 2%
I am Anon 3:48 above. I meant "David Mcguinty", not "Dalton". Sorry.
Lizt really you want to rewrite history?
Here is what really happened not the Liberal rewrite of History. In 1924 Woodsworth asked his if he would support an Old age pension plan King sent him statement saying.
"No decision favourable to this movement has been reached" Yep one of those Liberal shinning endorsements.
Then in 1925 King Lost his own seat in the election, and the balance of power to topple government was left with 3 Labour MPs who had the ear of all the Progressives. One of them who also would have been the leader if they wanted one was Woodsworth. He read a letter he sent to King in parliament in 1925. The jist of which was Old Age Pension Plan or you are gone.
Then King held a meeting with Woodsworth with in weeks. Came out of that meet and all of a sudden support OAPP. It is documented in Woodsworth Bio I suggest you read instead of trying to rewrite history.
This is well known. King didn't do anything unless forced too.
Anonymous 1:19 Liberals are great at taking the plans which are already made and ridding them to claim they some how did the best thing ever. Doesn't change the fact that for the Liberals OAS and CPP have just been after thoughts that they take credit for. You guys don't have ideas that is the problem with the party. I would love to hear some ideas, and not red book ideas, I am ideas Liberals will actually follow through on.
Here is one problem for Michael Ignatieff to mull over: only one in four of voters 45 years old or older favour the Liberals, Not so and give your head a shake while your at it. Is that why if an election would be held tomorrow 75 % of seniors in Ontario would vote Liberals. There is a poll to state that fact and find it yourself. You do not speak for me or for 100% of seniors. Your comments might warrent being called supporters of the Door knobs party. Forget online polls. they attract anyone form 10 to teens who place their x besides a poll.
Have I landed on a Reform/Con polster? Sure seems like that to me. Goodbye zombies.
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